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i do not know you and i do not know why you sent this message to me.i guess you read the comment that i did to immanuel.
ok,let's start from the beginning why i do not believe this.first of all,you sent me a lot of links of some country archives.but i see that non of them is turkish archives.so how can you believe if they are true?you even did not search our archives.
events are not true because someone say so...i can send you links to our archives.but i do not believe you will read the documents.(by the way they are offical).the turkish armenians do not accept there was a "genocide".i accept there was an exile and of course something bad happened at these times.but we were at war.do you know anything about that someone is coming to your country and want to take your freedom?armenians stabbed us when we fought for our freedoms.i believe that ever crime has a punishment.some turkish and kurdish may attacked them on the way.i guess you wonder why they attacked them?reason is simple."revenge".but why they wanted revenge?because armenian gangs were attacked their villages.they kill many muslims.they forced them change their religions.and if they dont,they killed them.
you may not beleive now that i am gonna told you but it is true.there was an old woman who lost her mind because armenian gangs forced her to watch her grandchild was eaten by his parents.they killed and sliced her grandchild.and they forced his parents to it his flesh.it is written in the offical documents.
think about your self.if something happend like that to you.what would you do?
about the site you told.i checked and read as many as i can find.but they were not convincig enough to me.like i told you before,the event are not true just because someone told so.
about the turkish intellectuals,they all are ass-kisser.and they are free to believe what ever they want.
and also armenian intellectuals apologized from us for what they did before 1915
turkish goverment suggest open their archives and the historians discuss this.but armenians did not accept this suggestion.do you ever wonder why?because even they know all genocide thing was a huge lie.they wnat to cover the truth.
there is professor who is an armenian and lives in usa.he told newspaper this:
i cant work make turkish right about this issue.so dont count me in this argument"
for one last thing:
i dont know what your race is(i am not a racist).i suppose you are american.so,how can someone talk about the genocide that never happened when her elders killed almost all american indians while settling?
anyway...i will discuss this when ever you want.
sorry about my english,i hope make myself clear.
Second, you direct me to the Turkish archives, which in my opinion, would be a flawed argument, since the Turkish archives are expected to be bias, if not altered. There also exists a conflict of interest, since the Ottoman Empire is the one being accused.
Also, when something as heinous as a genocide is executed, in this case by Talaat Pasha and Enver Pasha, what makes you think, with any logic, that they would not cover it up, or simply use WWI as a guise.
I think what the Turks misunderstand is that the Armenians are not holding today's Turkish government at fault, they merely want recognition for the crimes that were carried out by the Ottoman Empire.
I respect Turkey's intellects for their apology and am grateful for their recognition. Much like I would trust a doctor's advice over a friends when it's regarding a medical issue, I believe that those intellectuals have studied the Turkish archives (Taner Akcam being one of them), and understand that what occurred during WWI constitutes as genocide.
If it was not so, if it did not occur, Turkey's founding father, Mustafa Kemal, would not have apologized for what took place, and at the least he would not have adopted an Armenian girl and raised her as his daughter.
Lastly, for me, it isn't a lie. Our family has forever been affected by what took place. My great grandmother, Freda, who lived in Marash, lost her husband and three daughters to the massacres. Luckily, she escaped to Damascus, Syria with a group of survivors.
Do the research before you blindly restate what the Turkish government has been feeding its people. Look into the German archives, the Austrian archives, American and British. Listen to both sides of the story before committing heart and soul to your opinion.
You said, "do you know anything about that someone is coming to your country and want to take your freedom?"
However, you forget that the land that the Armenians were living on had been theirs for over 3,000 years. Thus, would it not have been the Turks, who first began their migration East during the end of the Byzantine Empire, the invaders?
you dont know the history right.who told you Atatürk adopted an armenian girl?who told you that Atatürk apologized?
you should learn real history not from the country's archives who did not live it.
we came to this lands in 1071.we save your race from tyranny of other empires.we took istanbul in 1453.you cry that "genocide" happened in 1915.so we lived together more than 800 years.ask your self why did they turn against and exile us after 844 years?there are many armenian minister in ottoman.there are many rich armenian who got respect from turkish.
only reason is the things that your elders did.i am sorry to say that to you but your elders was a back stabber.thats all.
Now this may be difficult for you to understand but Armenia was just fine before the Turks invaded, as a matter of fact, Armenia had survived through numerous invasions, the Romans and Persians included. Armenian's did not need the "help" of the Turks in order to survive, I mean for Gods sake the Turks nearly wiped out the Asyrians.
I find it interesting that, while most Turks deny genocide, they always claim that what did happened was deserved. Which would, with common sense applied, simply mean that you accept the fact that a genocide/massacre/callitwhatyouwill occurred but it was justified because a small group of Armenian nationalists sided with the Russians.
I don't care what the circumstances are, trying to annihilate an entire race is morally wrong. No matter how you justify it, what happened was wrong!
Again, if a country was planning a mass murder, they would not keep a paper trail. Nazi Germany being a rare case because it was invaded before Hitler and his cronies could destroy all the evidence. What makes you believe, without a doubt, that the Turkish archives contain the entire truth of what happened? And for your information, not everything on the Armenian question is open to the public.
Here is the link to an article regarding Ataturk's adopted daughter, Sabiha Gokcen:
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and here is another one,
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and another one, 7th paragraph down,
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So far, what I've heard from your end is the same thing, prove me wrong with facts instead of mere opinion. Link me to the Turkish archives. Do something other than belittling my argument by making snide comments or justifying a genocide because it was "deserved."
you were wrong about nazi too.the documents found made by nazis.and they wrote every thing what they did to jewes.
here is the link:
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you may think that our documents will be fake or we may burnt the true documents.maybe we did.maybe not.but my goverment suggest to open our archives.let the historians study about this issue.we will accept the results.but armenian goverment did not accept this offer
can you tell me why?
like i told you before.many of the turkish armenians do not accept there was a genocide.not because they are afraid of something.
we,turks accept something bad happened.some turks may attacked the exiled ones.but many turks take the childeren just because they dont get killed by attacks and dont die on the way.not because to raise them as ottoman like you think.the exiled were not killed by turkish goverment's soldiers like nazis did.we were at war.how can we figth with nations while slaughter armenians?almost all of our soldiers were at frontline.so we are not only to blame.
and one last thing.there were almost 1.000.000-1.200.000 armenians lived in the border of ottoman empire.you may find the documents about the number from the link.so how can we killed over 1.500.000 armenians?
so... ottoman goverment did what has to be done.it might be wrong.i can argue with you about that.but the only thing i do not argue with you is there was a genocide.
you seem like smart girl.i believe you will read the documents which i sent you.we will discuss this after you read them if you want.
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